elocks on 26.10.2005
Hi, I am 34 years old, divorced with a 7 year old chid. I
met a divorced man with 2 children 10 and 15 who live with their mum and who he
sees at weekends. This man asked me to his house for takeaway and I went. We had
sex and I left in the morning. He texted me to say he would like to spend some
more time with me again some time. That night I called him at 10pm as I had not
heard from him and I said I did not want a relationship at it would interfere
with my career , but the truth is I felt that he only wanted me for sex and I
wanted to reject him befroe he messed with my head. So we left it at that. A few
days later i texted him to say could we be friends and he replied yes. He came
to my house for dinner twice as friends and we got on amazingly well. Platonic.
A few days after that, I texted him and said I'd date him now if he asked me. He
repleid the next day to say we should meet and talk about it face to face. I
texted him again saying did he wan to date me or not and he told me he wanted to
talk about it face to face. We met up and had sex, we did not talk about it. I
accidently knocked him in the eye and he got quite angry at me and thatnight he
said he could not sleep if I stayed at his place and I left and went home after
sex at 1am (i live 10 mins away) It all felt a bit dramatic as I was cross that
i was asked to leave his place after sex. He txt me that night saying how could
things be so nice then end up so bad? I called him and left a messgae saying
sorry for the accidently poke in the eye etc. The next day I got a text saying
he would like to next see me in a week and hang out as mates? I rang him and we
talked and he said he was confused about what he wanted and that alarm bells
went off in his head when I got so cross when he asked me to leave that night. I
said I wanted to date him and he said he needed to decide what he wanted. A week
later he texted me 3 times which i ignored then he sent a text saying PLEASE txt
me to say you are ok at least. So the next day I sebt a text to say i was o.k
ans have a good day. he sent a cheeky flirty reply to which i sent an immediat
flirty reply. Since then 2 days ago U have not heard from him and I have deleted
his number. I dont know what to make of this, it all seems a bit of a mess. I
dont know how he feels about me or what he wants. He is not treating me like a
mate or like a sex buddy either. I am going crazy and my friends all say move on
and forhet him completely, and to delete all future txts without reading them
and not engage with him at all on any level because he is very confused or elas
not into you really. Plaes can you shed some light. I really fancy him and ned
to find a way to get him out of my system if he is messing me around. What do
you think????
Sam's
ResponseYou said "I accidently knocked him in the eye and he
got quite angry at me and that night" It is human instinct for someone to get
angry or uncomfortable if someone pokes you in the eye, whether it was
accidental or not. I am sure if he had done the same to you, you would not have
been too chuffed.
You said "he said he could not sleep if I stayed at his place and I left and
went home after sex at 1am" Wait a moment though, do you mean he got angry after
you poked him in the eye and then he said you could not sleep the night, but
then you had sex. If he was so angry he should have insisted that you went home
straight after you poked him in the eye, not after you had sex. That is out of
order of him and using the poking of the eye incident to get rid of you after he
had used you for sex, if it was really in that order (or have I mis-interpreted
what you said).
You said "hang out as mates?" Mates that have casual sex, when he feels like it?
You said "he said he was confused" I bet you were confused as well, but I bet
you were not acting like an idiot.
You said "alarm bells went off in his head when I got so cross when he asked me
to leave that night" Oh, so you got cross with him, as well. If this had
happened to me on a date, I would have put it down as a bad experience and not
bothered to contact the woman again. First impressions last and the first
impressions were bad in this case. You don't keep someone dangling and say you
are confused and try and get back with them, it is just too indecisive. The fact
he is indecisive at an early stage shows that it is not going to work out long
term.
You said "A week later he texted me 3 times" About the time when he was getting
desperate for sex again?
You said "seems a bit of a mess" If it's messy now, it is always going to be a
mess.
You said "He is not treating me like a mate or like a sex buddy either." So what
benefit do you see in continuing the relationship?
Virtually everything you said about him has been negative. I think your friends
are right, forget about him.
Elocks reply on 28.10.2005
Hi thanks for your comments. I need to clarify some points, not that it
makes a difference really. We had sex, was really lovely etc, then he said he
needed to sleep and I was going to stay. I then continued to act playful and he
was not that into it as he was tired and wanted to sleep and as he reached
towards me I was reaching towards him and knocked him in the eye with my elbow.
Then, he said I dont think im gonna be able to get any sleep like this. I said
do you want me to go and he said he had a spare room, or did i want him to drive
me home, but I was a bit rejected and said no I would go and huffed about and
put on my clothes in a big huff. I returned to say goodbye and was calm and
kissed him gently. Also, I apologized several times and kissed his eye etc. He
has not apologized for sending me away though. The sex cmae first , then the
poke in the eye, then the cross feelongs from him then me.
Also, I'd like to add that he seems like a genuine lovely man etc but we
just had an unfortunate beginning, with me chopping and changing my mind. I
shtere any way I can change it around. I do feel we are compatible and there is
also chemistry as well , which is rare for there to be both? Or am I fooling
myself and this can not be turned around?
Sam's Reply
Elocks
Ah that is not as bad as I thought then. The incident came after the sex.
Again I must point out that whenever you hit some in the eye, whether it be
playful, accidental or on purpose, it is going to put them on the defensive or
make them a bit angry. It is simply human instinct (natural reaction for a man
or a woman).
You said "he was tired and wanted to sleep" I hear women saying lots that they
get frustrated when men go to sleep straight after sex. The fact is that a man
has just burned up so much energy, you would find it difficult not to sleep.
If he really has put his full energy into sex, his muscles will be aching
(even if he is a top athlete), some of his internal organs will be pretty worn
out and one particular external organ will be particularly worn out. Even if
the woman was on top and doing all the physical work, a man's body is still
pumping blood at a much faster rate (mainly to supply the blood to that organ
down below).
I am not trying to say that women just lay there and do nothing, but the
physical energy that a man's body burns up, is going to be greater than that
of a woman. It is therefore enough to make a man, both tired and as a result a
bit moody as well. Therefore if he is tired and not in the mood, don't wind
him up. A man needs his sleep to regain his physical strength, never try to
disturb a man's sleep (believe me he will be as grumpy as hell).
You said "huffed about and put on my clothes in a big huff." Men hate huffy
attitudes, the fact that he was tired would have made your huffy attitude even
more annoying. Because when a man's tired he has an inability to humour anyone
and work you out of your huffy attitude. Men sometimes laugh at a woman's
attitude, because it is quite entertaining at the right time. But done at the
wrong time, it makes women look like a spoilt brat, that wants their own way
all the time. (That's what a man will be thinking, but of course he wouldn't
dare say what he is thinking, because then the woman would get even worse).
You said "He has not apologized for sending me away though" By apologising he
would bring an unpleasant situation back into both your minds. He would also
be apologising for something he wasn't sorry about. The fact is he wanted some
sleep, the only way for him to get some sleep was to ask you to leave. A man
would just want to forget about it and move on, not bring the issue up and
potentially start an argument.
You said "had an unfortunate beginning, with me chopping and changing my mind"
You were obviously chopping and changing your mind for a reason. So in the
back of your mind you are not sure about this guy. If your mind is unsure then
I believe it is not going to work out long term.
You said "Or am I fooling myself and this can not be turned around?" From a
man's point of view, I think he would have probably been thinking like this:
You poke him in the eye.
I want some sleep, I am tired, she is going to have to go home, otherwise I am
going to get more annoyed with her. She won't be able to resist messing about
for the next few hours. So I am not going to get any sleep.
Next morning comes, he thinks that was very embarrassing, I did not handle it
well because I was tired, what will she think. I feel guilty about having sex
with her and then telling her to go home. She was a nice enough woman. I
really enjoyed the sex and really enjoyed her company before the sex took
place. But I am so embarrassed, I don't want to really see this woman again
because I know she is going to bring that issue up all the time. I don't want
to constantly be reminded of that incident but she is likely to remind me
every time she is in a mood with me. Her huffy attitude when I asked her to
leave, really annoyed me and creeped me out, and reminded me of my ex-wife.
A week later: I am desperate for sex and desperate for a woman's company. That
lady from last week really did seem like the one for me. I don't know why I
shunned her. Then the incident will go through his mind again. He will try to
convince himself it was not that bad. I think I will contact her and try my
luck. I don't really want to go through that incident again but maybe it was
just a bad week. I am desperate for sex and a woman's company so it's either
this lady or find someone else.
Maybe I am wrong and he is not thinking this way. But it seems from the series
of events that this is most likely what he is thinking. And you can pick up
from what I am saying above, is that he is totally confused, more focused on
sex and having the company of a woman, than focused on a long lasting
relationship, where you live happy ever after.
Of course you are in the situation and actually experiencing this situation
and not all men are the same. I only tell women on this site what I think the
majority of men think. So ultimately it is up to you. I personally think your
friends are right "Move on and forget about him". I
If the poking of the eye incident had happened a few months into the
relationship then things would have probably worked out. So early in
relationship, has really spoilt it in this case. But it has happened now
(fate), and it wasn't meant to be.
Elocks
reply on 30.10.05
Hi thanks for your comments, i would like to give you an update on the
situation and how you have helped a lot. I have not heard from him since my
reply to his text last tuesday (5days ago) and I have not contacted him and plan
to continue to give him space until he texts again (which im sure he will - its
only time)my question is this : I feel this can be turned around especially givn
that he texts me again, how should I respond to his texts to not appear
desperate for him and to draw him close to me again, if he doesnt actually ask
for a date but just sends general hi how are ya, hope youre weel, type texts???
Thanks.
Elocks further reply on 31.10.05
Hi, i wanted to update you on the situation, as it has changed again. I
decided to take everyones (including yours) advice and comments on board and
move on. However, I do want to be friends with him as when we were just friends
we got on the best and had the best time together. So, I sent him a text and
left a voicemail saying would he like to come and have coffee with me, and I got
no response, so i left another voicemail the next day saying, i'd really like a
text from him just to say either we can be friends and he would like to be
invited for coffee again, or he would like to be left alone and not be conracted
from me again, just a quick texty to let me know. I left this message in a nice,
easy, friendly way, and it sounded better than it does here. I felt ok , not
pushy or demanding , as it probrably sounds. Anyway, 1 minute after i left that
voice message he sent me a text saying , Sorry Karen, speak later, x. So I felt
better about leaving that message. I replied saying thanks, its not heavy, just
want to know if i have a friend or if you dont want to know me at all. He sent
another text saying he has just been busy, been away for the weekend and he does
want to be friends and he will call me later if hes not too tired. My question
is; do you think he is just saying this because i texted twice and left 2
messages for him?
Sam's Reply
You said "He sent another text saying he has just been busy" Men can get
busy and unlike women we can't focus on two things at once. In the past I have
blanked women because I was just too busy to devote any time to a relationship.
Women are a very heavy burden on your time and require a lot of devoted
attention.
So if he has got an important promotion coming up which will increase his wages,
women become second priority at that point. He will be thinking, you only get
one chance at the promotion, but there are plenty of women out there and plenty
of time to find those women.
Of course this is just one instance where a man has more important things to do.
There are many other examples where relationships will be put on the back burner
with men. Men don't give relationships as higher priority as women. That's not
to say they won't eventually give a relationship high priority, it is just he
needs time to dedicate himself to the relationship with no other distractions.
You said "do you think he is just saying this because i texted twice and left 2
messages for him?" No I wouldn't say so. If he did not want you to text him, he
would not have replied or would have replied saying don't text me again.
Or maybe he did not know what to say or what to do, or what you meant after the
first text. But after the second text, it made it easier for him to answer. Or
maybe he just did not want to get too serious again. In your second text you
diffused the relationship possibility, so that stopped him from thinking you
maybe stalking him. That's a lot of possibilities and you could take your pick
between those options. But in general if he did not want to know you, he would
have either told you, or not bothered to text you again.
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Ah that is not as bad as I thought then. The incident came after the sex.
Again I must point out that whenever you hit some in the eye, whether it be playful, accidental or on purpose, it is going to put them on the defensive or make them a bit angry. It is simply human instinct (natural reaction for a man or a woman).
You said "he was tired and wanted to sleep" I hear women saying lots that they get frustrated when men go to sleep straight after sex. The fact is that a man has just burned up so much energy, you would find it difficult not to sleep. If he really has put his full energy into sex, his muscles will be aching (even if he is a top athlete), some of his internal organs will be pretty worn out and one particular external organ will be particularly worn out. Even if the woman was on top and doing all the physical work, a man's body is still pumping blood at a much faster rate (mainly to supply the blood to that organ down below).
I am not trying to say that women just lay there and do nothing, but the physical energy that a man's body burns up, is going to be greater than that of a woman. It is therefore enough to make a man, both tired and as a result a bit moody as well. Therefore if he is tired and not in the mood, don't wind him up. A man needs his sleep to regain his physical strength, never try to disturb a man's sleep (believe me he will be as grumpy as hell).
You said "huffed about and put on my clothes in a big huff." Men hate huffy attitudes, the fact that he was tired would have made your huffy attitude even more annoying. Because when a man's tired he has an inability to humour anyone and work you out of your huffy attitude. Men sometimes laugh at a woman's attitude, because it is quite entertaining at the right time. But done at the wrong time, it makes women look like a spoilt brat, that wants their own way all the time. (That's what a man will be thinking, but of course he wouldn't dare say what he is thinking, because then the woman would get even worse).
You said "He has not apologized for sending me away though" By apologising he would bring an unpleasant situation back into both your minds. He would also be apologising for something he wasn't sorry about. The fact is he wanted some sleep, the only way for him to get some sleep was to ask you to leave. A man would just want to forget about it and move on, not bring the issue up and potentially start an argument.
You said "had an unfortunate beginning, with me chopping and changing my mind" You were obviously chopping and changing your mind for a reason. So in the back of your mind you are not sure about this guy. If your mind is unsure then I believe it is not going to work out long term.
You said "Or am I fooling myself and this can not be turned around?" From a man's point of view, I think he would have probably been thinking like this:
You poke him in the eye.
I want some sleep, I am tired, she is going to have to go home, otherwise I am going to get more annoyed with her. She won't be able to resist messing about for the next few hours. So I am not going to get any sleep.
Next morning comes, he thinks that was very embarrassing, I did not handle it well because I was tired, what will she think. I feel guilty about having sex with her and then telling her to go home. She was a nice enough woman. I really enjoyed the sex and really enjoyed her company before the sex took place. But I am so embarrassed, I don't want to really see this woman again because I know she is going to bring that issue up all the time. I don't want to constantly be reminded of that incident but she is likely to remind me every time she is in a mood with me. Her huffy attitude when I asked her to leave, really annoyed me and creeped me out, and reminded me of my ex-wife.
A week later: I am desperate for sex and desperate for a woman's company. That lady from last week really did seem like the one for me. I don't know why I shunned her. Then the incident will go through his mind again. He will try to convince himself it was not that bad. I think I will contact her and try my luck. I don't really want to go through that incident again but maybe it was just a bad week. I am desperate for sex and a woman's company so it's either this lady or find someone else.
Maybe I am wrong and he is not thinking this way. But it seems from the series of events that this is most likely what he is thinking. And you can pick up from what I am saying above, is that he is totally confused, more focused on sex and having the company of a woman, than focused on a long lasting relationship, where you live happy ever after.
Of course you are in the situation and actually experiencing this situation and not all men are the same. I only tell women on this site what I think the majority of men think. So ultimately it is up to you. I personally think your friends are right "Move on and forget about him". I
If the poking of the eye incident had happened a few months into the relationship then things would have probably worked out. So early in relationship, has really spoilt it in this case. But it has happened now (fate), and it wasn't meant to be.